Thursday, April 8, 2010

Omerta strikes again

Once again the Carenne Gate blog has been attacked by "omerta" using a dial-up Internet account traceable to Bathurst. As always it was an amateurish attack performed to supress the truth.

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Anonymous said...

Isn't it fucking amazing everything on this site is a lie yet when the pressure is on the KLAN attack it just like they did to Sydney Indymedia. You people are SHIT.

Anonymous said...

omerta you piece of SHIT dont waste your time Julie will be up and running before you know it

Libertarian said...

How long did it take for us to fix it last time Omerta?

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Anonymous said...

well done omerta. WE LOVE OMERTA

Libertarian said...

What is the Omerta? Is it your paedophile code of silence at Carenne? You will sure do anything to keep people quiet, even if it means breaking the law. The klan surely are capable of anything. As always though Omerta you were stupid enough to leave your trace.

Anonymous said...

school of horrors is right. what do you do to the kids to keep them quiet?

Anonymous said...

What have you got to hide LEE CHURCHES that you will go to this extreme it won't stop us it won't take julie long and she will have this website up and running again.

Anonymous said...

oh poor liberfagian can dish it out but cant take it back. we know you are a giver not a taker then poofter.

Anonymous said...

hatho who have they got doing this who is omerta.

Anonymous said...

most of the kids can't talk so they can't tell us it is frightening what the kids are being put through.

Anonymous said...

I want to know why the Bathurst Police who were aware of Blackburn, who are aware of other child abuse claims at Carenne have done nothing.

Anonymous said...

well said libertarian.WE LOVE LIBERTARIAN

Anonymous said...

hey everyone leave you comments on here till julie back up.

Anonymous said...

margaret rowe was ringing around last night wanting to know what to say today.

Anonymous said...

colluding hag

Anonymous said...

what she in court is she

Anonymous said...

Yep and she had to call Lee and Michael last night to ask them what to say. Laurie told me this.

Anonymous said...

funny that, simone was calling her a snitching bitch i don't know why.

Anonymous said...

oh know more lies hope judge is aware they are liars.

Anonymous said...

Why isn't the Adovocate covering this court case covers all about stannies why not carenne.

Anonymous said...

It must be Lee Churches turn to face the beck soon then more lies.

Anonymous said...

Hope they get there stories twisted that will bring them down.

Anonymous said...

These people are going to be bought down so they are wasting there time.

Anonymous said...

Fancy asking the klan what to say when you are giving evidence in court what a joke these people are.

Mark Lindbert said...

What a hoot that would have been, she would have made a complete twat of herself in court the foul-mouthed cow.

Anonymous said...

Yes and imagine the lies comming out of her mouth it would have been priceless to watch.

Anonymous said...

hatho is margaret rowe.

Anonymous said...

i would have paid to see it

Anonymous said...

nedkelly is margaret rowe.

Anonymous said...

7:44pm so would have i .

jrosenberg said...

hatho is simone

D said...

Well its nice to see the site is back up. People on here have said there is nothing wrong with carenne, yet if there is nothing wrong why pull this shit on the site? If you have nothing to hide why are you trying to hide this?
Oh, we are mature adults arent we? I really do hope that that school is fixed...those poor children!

Libertarian said...

They claim it's an illegal website yet they have to resort to attacks like that to take the site out of action.

D said...

Since when is it illegal to tell the public the truth?

Anonymous said...

This is what the klan did to a beautiful teacher at Carenne School who had been there for thirty years. Lee Churches was the Leader pushed her out.

Anonymous said...

When the KLAN claim this is an illegal web site they betray how uneducated and stupid they are. Only a court can identify a web site as illegal. Just as only a court can identify defamation or slander. That is why we have the word alledged. But we all know the KLAN are arse holes because they look like arse holes and smell like arse holes and act like arse holes with a infection of omerta. There is another site called wickileaks it is protected with military grade encryption so people wishing to blow the whistle big time may like to use it to name names and expose the full details of who is doing what to whom at Carenne.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 10:26 am No truer words have been spoken isn't dreadful when your got to use a website to blow the whistle on these people because the THE LABOUR GOVERMENT won't put a stop to there corrupt behaviour.And won't protect innocent "CHILDREN".

Anonymous said...

Just read this blog
http://jolandachallita.typepad.com/

Anonymous said...

after reading this blog and the one mentioned above i feel a real sense of hopelessness

Anonymous said...

It is a shame jolanda that you missed it when it first got posted on indy before the site was destroyed by hackers

Anonymous said...

Does jenny know carenne support ltd should have offered her pernament part time position as from the 1st january 200010 by law.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 5:04 pm
Yes jenny does know this the work place ombudsman informed her of this when she rang him on tuesday 6.4.2010.So does her union.ion

Anonymous said...

Hi jenny.

Anonymous said...

Carenne Support ltd don't know the work place laws that is for sure.

Anonymous said...

april 9 6.36pm why do you always assume its jenny there are many people that get on here and what is your fascination and need to have to name every anonymous poster on here

Anonymous said...

april9 7:11pm Because they are bullies thats why but it won't get them anywhere.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:11pm you only have to read the disgusting flith they speak and these people are around little children.

Anonymous said...

April 9, 2010 7:11 PM because Jenny is a snitch thats why

Anonymous said...

highly doubtful 8.28

Anonymous said...

Jenny 6:50PM
You think you know more about workplace law than us? What a joke that is, you and your union both have no idea. All I can say BRING IT ON!

Anonymous said...

8:31 PM Did you and Lucy Rosenberg go to the same school and leave at year 1?

Anonymous said...

the klan are an insidious bunch of foul mouths they are like cancer not happy until they have destroyed everything and everyone in their path everybody on here with half a brain can see that

Anonymous said...

i agree they are a disease

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8:31
Do you know more then the work place ombudsman do you ain't you clever.

Anonymous said...

April 9, 2010 8:36 PM
They are and they think they are above the law because Simone tells them that Scott will look after them. If he could get Jeremy out of trouble he could get anyone out of it she says.

jrosenberg said...

bev masters tell lies to me she say she go to court for withyman today but saw her walking in howik street

jrosenberg said...

people only know what jereme did because jenny oneal told them because she has big mouth.

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Anonymous said...

What time did you see her Jake?

jrosenberg said...
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jrosenberg said...

around lunchtime i cant tell time cause i am dum according to jenny and her friends

templeton said...

i can understand why they think that way i see you everyday lucy skulking and lurking around the school getting everyones guts like the big sloth that you are and changing what people say to suit your own agenda and expecting them to believe you are a saviour noone believes that you try hard

Anonymous said...

your one of jenny oneals friends arent you parent are you or are you the carenne snitcher

bring back lyn and steve said...

Look at Lucy Thornton's post of 9:19PM. It's DUM not DUMB. This is the sort of person Neil Moon gives casual block work to. At least Lyn Duncan knew what this fat yobbo was like and wouldn't touch her with a 30 foot pole.

Anonymous said...

9:45PM You are always at Brian Carter's house aren't you Lucy?

templeton said...

just telling it like it is its hard not to notice how she is always listening to everyones business lucy is the carenne snitcher more than once i have said things to her and they have ended up on this site more than 1 of us would have been burned by her

jrosenberg said...

neil know lucy a great aid who got all as when she did her aid course and she says she best aid they have on casual list so he give her work.

you are a lier templeton and just one of jennys gellous friends

Anonymous said...

If you were so great Lucy how come Aimee had nothing nice to say about you? We all know how useless you are Lucy, you are a joke.

Anonymous said...

How long ago did you do this course Lucy?

jrosenberg said...

2 year ago and i not lucy

Anonymous said...

Where did you do this course Lucy?

Anonymous said...

She did a Rinse Aid course, how to use Rinse Aid while she was in Barb's class doing independent living and she got all A's for that I'd say!

jrosenberg said...

lucy did her course at tafe like all the aids do

templeton said...

HAHAHA me jealous of you i dont think so i think you are the liar after what you said about terry and jenny you gutter mouth GO BACK TO YOUR SEWER i get a whole lot more work than you do what does that say to you

Anonymous said...

Explain this then Lucy. TAFE hasn't given A grades for a long time. How come you were so special and got an A grade? They use Distinction/Credit/Pass or Pass/Fail depending on the course. There is no ABCDEF anymore.

You have just proven that you are a liar. You did no such course and if you did you would have failed the first subject because you are illiterate. You are a dumb, illiterate yobbo Lucy and will never be anything more.

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jrosenberg said...

well i got as so you are a lier. what is distinction credit pass and tehre are no course where you only get pass fail you a lier.

Anonymous said...

Blogger jrosenberg said...

10:03 PM i got an entire term and you get nothing whinging snitch

April 9, 2010 10:07 PM

Anonymous said...

anonymous 10.06 she is a liar she didnt go to tafe she got her qualifications from the coco pops packet when she was shovelling down her breakfast

Anonymous said...

Blogger jrosenberg said...

well i got as so you are a lier. what is distinction credit pass and tehre are no course where you only get pass fail you a lier.

April 9, 2010 10:09 PM

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Anonymous said...

what was the comment about that she deleted 10.14

jrosenberg said...

you are a lier lucy not touch kids wrong like some people

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Anonymous said...

10.16 she wrote:
10:03 PM i got an entire term and you get nothing whinging snitch

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Anonymous said...

we dont believe you jrosenberg snitch

Anonymous said...

10.18 thankyou lets see her delete that

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Anonymous said...

Poor Lucy

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jrosenberg said...

jenny put false claim into special transport to she did it cause mary hosler told her to and mary gave her extra money if she did it and get away with it and she take kid to get food on bus run and she brake the bus.

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Anonymous said...

Hey Lucy you said the cleaners saw Michael, Marg, Kym and Lee with green paper in the RFF office to cover up for yourself, you had Barbara write that letter for you didn't you?

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Anonymous said...

10.29 she did she told me

jrosenberg said...

marg rowe writ letter as silent admirer

Anonymous said...

no she didnt it wasnt marg it was lucy

Anonymous said...

We aren't talking about silent admirer, we all know that's Margaret Rowe who has to write complaints about herself we are talking about the letter you were seen photocopying in the photocopy room that you said Michael, Marg, Kym and Lee were seen in the RFF room writing. You had Barbara Woolfe write that letter and send it to everyone didn't you.

The camera in the photocopy room saw you in there fiddling with green paper copying a letter.

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Anonymous said...

lucy who the hell are you to call someone else fat do you have a full length mirror i suggest you go have a look

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Anonymous said...

yes she is shes always contacting him she says its for work but its not

D said...

Oh wow...*clapping at the maturity level of these people*
You people make me sick! Stooping to the level of picking on someone about their weight is just low and absolutely pathetic! Why cant you all just grow up and realise that YES there is something wrong at the school and YOUR THE GOD DAMNED PROBLEM!

Libertarian said...

I am not going to sit here half the night and clean up what you are writing. Have an early night guys.

Libertarian said...

D,
They are too busy protecting their own backsides to see that. There are no problems at that school, the brave people who speak out are making it up.

Anonymous said...

libertarian, jrosenberg is not brave she doesnt mind putting her mouth to horrible things that arent true as soon as she gets back some of her own she doesnt like it we would all be burned at the stake if everything she said was assumed to be true and people believed it as you apparently do she was the one that crawled out of the gutter first we just followed

Anonymous said...

Carenne has been identified as a school for special needs children where staff have sex with students. And is now being exposed on the WWW as a place where the rules dont apply to a gang of control freaks known as the KLAN. It would be a good thing to close the site down until the court cases are finished. Because it has slipped to the level of cowardly school girls calling each other names. I know some people have already walked away because there is not enough real support from parents and teachers to protest properly about the wrongs being done to special needs children. Calling people rockspiders without the guts to put your real name to the post has attracted trouble, but it has not brought the sacking of KLAN members any closer.

Anonymous said...

The blog should stay because it is bringing about real change at Carenne as soon as something is posted here.

These schoolgirls, by their behaviour on this blog are showing why Carenne has major issues.

Anonymous said...

April 9th 2010 10:49
D,
There are very real problems at carenne school and the ones on this blog going on like school girls are part of what has become to known as the klan and they are frightened to what the honest people of the school are going to bring out i hope you havn't got a child at carenne school d,because if you have i'd be very worried if i was you.

Anonymous said...

Keep the blog it brings out what evil things the klan and carenne support are doing to innocent students,parents and staff, The people who are protesting about this blog are klan members friends and klan members themselves ,They don't want the truth bought out.These evil people have to be stopped.They know Julie Brown is bringing the truth to the publics attention.

Anonymous said...

D, is mary housler.

Anonymous said...

D,10:49pm 9.4.2010
Julie brown has evidence that the evil things at Carenne School and Carenne Support have happen and how could there be 7 court cases in the courts and two pending if there is nothing wrong at this school and carenne support ltd.D,I think you are sadly mistaken.

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D said...

Anon, April 10, 2010 8:09 AM

I wasnt saying there is nothing wrong with the school, i too believe that school has some serious problems that need to be seen to immediatly.

Anonymous said...

D 12;23pm
D its wonderful an outsider can see how bad the klan and carenne support are these two groups have cause all the corruption and abuse of wonderful students,parents and staff and need to be stopped.These people always think they know everyones alias and they dont.

D said...

Anonymous said...
D, is mary housler.

April 10, 2010 7:54 AM


ROFL no that certainly is not me, i have no attachement to that school at all, i just "stumbled" accross this site and wow the things on it have really opened my eyes.
But wow, it really is incredible how you can be a private resident of this town, take an interest in a blog yet still be accused of being someone with a connection to Carenne.

April 10, 2010 7:41 AM
Thankfully Anon, no i do not have children at that school, nor will i ever have children at that school, i would never send my child to a place where the staff bullying is constant and child abuse covered up.

Anonymous said...

D,
so what would you do if you had a child with a disability and carenne is the only school to send them to. How would you deal with the DET making threats to prosecute you if you didnt send your child to school because there are no other schools to send a severely disabled child to in that region,im interested in hearing an opinion that isnt so close to carenne

D said...

April 10, 2010 12:32 PM

They certainly dont know me, and yes it is wonderful that an outsider has seen all of this.
Let's just hope something more can be done, the children at this school have special needs, we all know that, these kids are also in a position where they often can not speak out about what is happening to them. These so called "snitches" are speaking up for these children yet are being bullied, threatened and treated like animals because of this? It saddens me. These "snitches" are doing the right thing by those children and i really hope they dont stop until that school is rid of all these corrupt, ignorant, cowards that feel it is ok to cover up such treatment of the children...

D said...

April 10, 2010 12:37 PM

I would move. Simple. I dont care where i would have to go, i would move to an area where there are better facilities for a child with special needs.
That, would be simply putting my childs needs first and any parent would agree that you have to think of your children before anything else.

Anonymous said...

D 12:38pm
You are right a lot of these children can not speak up for themselves that is why we are speaking for then and the things that happen to them is disgusting and Peter Harvey and Carol Macdimad know what the klan and carenne support are doing and they are not dealing with it these people think they are above the law.But i will assure you we are not going anywhere till they are stopped.

Anonymous said...

It would be great to do that but its easier said than done.If your job dictates where you can live then its not an easy thing to do and other factors would have to come into play as well,like if you move to a place where there is no job how do you feed and clothe that child and their siblings it would be a total uproot of a lifestyle that a lot of these children could not cope with.Not only that but it would put more stress where there is a situation of high stress anyway and could do all of that and not go to a situation thats any better.Its not that a parent,by not moving,would have less regard for their child but seems a huge mountain to climb and a lot of these parents have their own mountains to climb everyday and thats what the bullies of this school count on.It would seem far easier to rid the school of these undesirables.

Anonymous said...

D12:41pm
YOU ARE RIGHT THESE DISABLE CHILDREN COME FIRST AND SHOULD BE PROTECTED AT ALL COST AND THEY WILL BE EVEN IF WE ARE BRANDED SNITCHES WHO CARES"STICKS STONES WILL BREAK YOUR BONES BUT NAMES WILL NEVER HURT YOU".

D said...

April 10, 2010 12:54 PM
Well yes i can see your point, it would be a hell of a challenge...but i would also do anything in order to keep my child safe.

April 10, 2010 12:52 PM
Thats good to hear, perhaps getting the public to support you more in this would be a great idea, perhaps a petition or getting a local journo on side somehow. i really do hope you do get that school cleaned up and rid of all the garbage there..it will certainly be a hard road however if you are persistant, hopefully it will pay off.

Libertarian said...

Anonymous @ April 9, 2010 11:17 PM. I don't believe you caught on to my sarcasm with my comment. The KLAN continues to claim there is nothing wrong despite evidence to the contrary. Those who do speak out faced with the threats are the heroes in this place and in time it will all come to fruition.

Libertarian said...

Anonymous @ April 10, 2010 12:57 PM. Being called a snitch just shows that there has to be something to snitch on.

D said...

April 10, 2010 12:57 PM

Its great to see someone still has a passion for caring for these children. It is also great to see that you are putting those children before yourself. Thats how anyone working with children should feel and these people who abuse these children, well, they are obviously only doing it for what? the money? the ability to be in a scandal? now THAT is something they really should be proud of....there is something for there resume! Skills and abilities: "Able to cover up scandals and abuse, Able to keep my mouth shut no matter what harm is being done to a child" they really are REVOLTING

Anonymous said...

Libertarian 1:03pm
No sorry i didn't catch your sarcasm i miss understood sorry.

Anonymous said...

Libertarian 1:04pm
Thats exactly my point if the school and carenne support were sqeakey clean there be nothing to snitch on them for but sadly its not.

Anonymous said...

D and libertarian its great to have a normal conversation with good people and not be abused called names and bullied and threaten.

D said...

It is isnt it? its great to be able to have a mature conversation without anyone getting worked up and abusive, its lovely to see that some people who use this site can be mature minded and not result to name calling...
But just remember, whether your called a snitch or not, you are doing the right thing, those children should not go through what they are going through.

Anonymous said...

D 1:01pm
The sydney radio station the local newspaper all have been contacted about the Abuse, corruption,fraud, and no duty of care but they won't take this miss carriage of justice up ,don't know where else to go.

Anonymous said...

D 1:25pm
The Parents are to frighten to speak up for fear these people will take it out on there children which sadly happens.

D said...

A Current Afair perhaps? they tend to show alot of stuff that is controversial and what not.
Maybe an international journo could bring attention to it...if it goes world wide the government cant ignore it then can they?

D said...

April 10, 2010 1:30 PM

Yes, i understand that, they wouldnt want their actions to backlash on their child. Its terrible that the parents have absolutly no way of speaking up..i really do hope that changes, the parents need o be able to speak up without the fear of their child being targeted for it.

Anonymous said...

Toni MacDonald takes it out on kids when parents complain about her.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:23 am
certain teacher at Carenne is guilty of this to.

Anonymous said...

so does lee and nadine at carenne public school.

hatho said...

They do. They will often sit in the staff room complaining about people who have put complaints in about them and plan how they will get back at them.

Anonymous said...

This is disgusting that they will do this to disable children.

jrosenberg said...

you oute to hear the recordings i make in staff room of marg rowe and how she speak of parent staff and student

Anonymous said...

produce the evidence lucy now you open mouth.

jrosenberg said...

i will when the time right. you should hear some of the thing marg say like her calling lynn an 'incompetant fat slut' and when lynn confront her she deny it say she was talk about doug and then cry and walk to lynns office with lynn holding her then tell me and kym in staffroom that she trick that fat old bitch

jrosenberg said...

you not want me to produce what i have on you jenny i have enough to have you sack and never work

Anonymous said...

Lucy doesnt have any evidence of any of the accusations shes made about the good people because shes full of it shes disguised as a saviour but she is very dangerous with her mouth

Anonymous said...

Lucy the time is right now stop shooting your mouth off and show us the doctored evidence you have

Anonymous said...

She stole Barbara's purse

Anonymous said...

who stole barbaras purse

jrosenberg said...

how do i put them here i dont know how

Anonymous said...

Hey lucy don't you know its illegal to tape people without there permission you want to be very careful what you produce on jenny you might find your self in court because im sure jenny would not have gave you permission.

Anonymous said...

who stole barbaras purse

martinkelly said...

Lucy Thornton stole it the second time. Juliette took it the first time and dumped it near Lee Churches' house to set her up.

Anonymous said...

you did jrosenberg

Anonymous said...

who put the shit in the bus

jrosenberg said...

lucy wouldnt do that to barb you a lier

martinkelly said...

Michael Auld and Melinda Gavin put the shit in the bus

Anonymous said...

sounds like something lucy would do

martinkelly said...

It is, she wanted money and that's how she got the money.

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Anonymous said...

I love how dumb you are Lucy. You can think before you send the message you idiot.

Blogger jrosenberg said...

i did not you lyeing cunt i never took anything from barb barb was my friend you fucking snitch jenny oneal

April 11, 2010 10:14 PM

templeton said...

lucy would have us all believe that she is a saviour and watching over the children at carenne but truth be told she is no saviour she doesnt focus on the ones doing the horrendous deeds she has taken it upon herself to rubbish everyone there for what reason i do not know i do not know what she is getting out of it suffice is to say that she is a very calculating person and not helping at all with the things happening at carenne when she throws in such unbelievable false allegations its taking the focus off the real issues

Anonymous said...

Hey lucy if you insist on naming Jenny please spell her name right will you'JENNY O'NEIIL" got it you moron.

Anonymous said...

lovely language lucy you should be ashamed of yourself

Anonymous said...

Well said "TEMPLETON"

Anonymous said...

Well said templeton

Anonymous said...

martin kelly why would lucy need extra money if she was claiming the pension and working did she just do it to set someone else up or was there another reason that you know of

Anonymous said...

templeton 10:18 pm
Lucy no saviour she snitch to peter harvey and lee churches and tells a lot of lies.

templeton said...

noone trusts lucy at school anymore because they know she will report it to peter harvey seems to a lot of us that she is the biggest snitch there and there is more lies than fact being reported to peter

Anonymous said...

Did she get the sack? Is it true?

templeton said...

Lucy is a wolf dressed in sheeps clothing BEWARE

Anonymous said...

yes got shunted only working volunteer and has to pay for her own petrol because she got barb the shunted too.

Anonymous said...

Good Luck today to brian carter hope you win.

Anonymous said...

yes got shunted only working volunteer and has to pay for her own petrol because she got barb the shunted too.

Anonymous said...

Well said "TEMPLETON"

templeton said...

Lucy is a wolf dressed in sheeps clothing BEWARE

Anonymous said...

Hey lucy if you insist on naming Jenny please spell her name right will you'JENNY O'NEIIL" got it you moron.

Anonymous said...

lovely language lucy you should be ashamed of yourself

Anonymous said...

sounds like something lucy would do

Anonymous said...

D, is mary housler.

Libertarian said...

D,
They are too busy protecting their own backsides to see that. There are no problems at that school, the brave people who speak out are making it up.

D said...

Oh wow...*clapping at the maturity level of these people*
You people make me sick! Stooping to the level of picking on someone about their weight is just low and absolutely pathetic! Why cant you all just grow up and realise that YES there is something wrong at the school and YOUR THE GOD DAMNED PROBLEM!

Anonymous said...

We aren't talking about silent admirer, we all know that's Margaret Rowe who has to write complaints about herself we are talking about the letter you were seen photocopying in the photocopy room that you said Michael, Marg, Kym and Lee were seen in the RFF room writing. You had Barbara Woolfe write that letter and send it to everyone didn't you.

The camera in the photocopy room saw you in there fiddling with green paper copying a letter.

Anonymous said...

Hey Lucy you said the cleaners saw Michael, Marg, Kym and Lee with green paper in the RFF office to cover up for yourself, you had Barbara write that letter for you didn't you?

Anonymous said...

Poor Lucy

Anonymous said...

we dont believe you jrosenberg snitch

Anonymous said...

what was the comment about that she deleted 10.14

Anonymous said...

Blogger jrosenberg said...

10:03 PM i got an entire term and you get nothing whinging snitch

April 9, 2010 10:07 PM

templeton said...

HAHAHA me jealous of you i dont think so i think you are the liar after what you said about terry and jenny you gutter mouth GO BACK TO YOUR SEWER i get a whole lot more work than you do what does that say to you

Anonymous said...

Where did you do this course Lucy?

Anonymous said...

How long ago did you do this course Lucy?

templeton said...

just telling it like it is its hard not to notice how she is always listening to everyones business lucy is the carenne snitcher more than once i have said things to her and they have ended up on this site more than 1 of us would have been burned by her

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