After a series of serious child abuse claims at Carenne Special School, fresh concerns have been raised about the treatment and handling of autistic students at the school.
It is claimed up to six staff were involved in restraining the student after he had an autistic episode today. Several staff were injured during the restraining. It is claimed that the staff were quite rough with the student at the time which distressed him further. The student appeared very tired following the altercation with Carenne staff.
The particular incident raises a number of serious concerns about the handling of autistic students at Carenne. If a large number of autistic students are becoming distressed, what is happening at the school to make them distressed? What are they being subjected to? Are staff adequately trained to work with autistic students?
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They sat on the student too.
Oh my god the poor child
April 28, 2010 9:05 PM
Please tell me you are joking.
This wouldn't of happened while Terry was principal. He understood that autistic kids need time out which is why he let them sit in his office when they were upset or if they were really distressed he allowed teacher's to lock them in the autism yard.
It was a strategy that worked well and one that should still be used.
Terrys way was leaps and bounds better than this treatment
Tell me you are joking about the "pig pen" being an acceptable strategy. How can you possibly defend it?
April 28, 2010 9:11 PM
You are the fucking cunt who made this mess Terry fuck off.
April 28, 2010 9:14 PM
It was Terry Mahony who implemented it.
April 28, 2010 9:13 PM
How was he. HE WAS THE ONE WHO PUT THE PIG PEN THERE YOU IDIOT.
Where is the common sense and compassion you cannot bully children like this what a disgrace.
April 28, 2010 9:11 PM
There was never an autism yard at Carenne you fucking liar.
April 28, 2010 9:17 PM
The photos and documents prove otherwise. How about you and your Klan buddies start providing proof like the saviours and others do? You can keep get on here going on about how it's all lies. Send me the proof that it's lies!
There was an autism yard and it was supported by Terry Mahony and Terry Neal. They were the ones behind it so that Ros Luther and Di Klavins could lock two students in there and not have to worry about them.
9.20pm this student is in luthers class too
having staff sitting all over and restraining a child is a lot worse than letting the child walk around until they calm down as long as a staff member is there to watch over them
How the fuck did Ros Luther get the permanent teacher's job?
April 28, 2010 9:20 PM
There was no supervision. Ros and Di are too fucking lazy
They should be ashamed of there treatment of this student today it was uncalled for.
jenny has this boy on her buss and never has a problem with him like all the beautiful disable kids on her buss. i hear that one other buss driver who is going for buss job used to have to restrain a disable boy on the buss.
You hate autistic students don't you you bastards?
CLOSE THE SCHOOL OF HORRORS
Well done Lee, Marg, Michael, Simone, Kym and Melinda. YOU MUST BE SO PROUD.
what have the parents been told
Oh you didn't shake these ones
April 28, 2010 9:26 PM
I bet big mouth Jenny said something.
What lies does the students parents get told that he was naughty .
9.27 You just cant leave Jenny alone can you, you have real mental issues you are like a dog with a bone.The school should notify parents why assume that Jenny would tell them anything she wouldnt have seen it so therefore cannot say at all what happened.Its becoming really boring reading how one person gets the blame for EVERYTHING.
This strategy isn't working, it's time to do what does.
BRING BACK THE PIG PEN.
April 28, 2010 9:33 PM
Cause she is a bus driver.
April 28, 2010 9:34 PM
All bus drivers are snitches.
Do you get off on torturing autistic students? Nazi bastards
Why were 6 staff required seems a bit of overkill
Terry always has to come on here and talk himself up. HE RUINED CARENNE. The school was perfect under Jock.
April 28, 2010 9:33 PM
Hullo Terry
There shouldnt be anything to "snitch"(ridiculous word)about.ITS A SCHOOL.
There are things to snitch because the school is a disgrace. The way students are treated is a disgrace. The fraud is a disgrace.
Congratulations to the Klan, you must be so proud.
Thanks Julie
Hope the parents of this student demands the truth about what happen today and don't be railroaded moon good at that.
Whats going to take a student to get killed or maned for this school to be investigated.
Michael Auld and Kym Tattersall are the only ones who sit on students. Thank god they are no longer a pair
maned lol
9.50 It is starting to look like it, isnt it? How can this continue and nothing is being done?its okay to put it here on this blog but what is actually being accomplished,absolutely nothing because the abuse continues.
moon told jenny and gerry when they stood up for disable kids with the shit on the buss that the only bullys in the school are people who dobb on others.
April 28, 2010 9:55 PM
Not enough people have the guts to stand up and say what is happening. Julie, Libertarian and Edward are the lone voices who are speaking out for these people but when it comes down to it they would rather do nothing.
9.55 Great we are all screwed then
April 28, 2010 9:55 PM
Wait for it? Who put the shit in the bus!
April 28, 2010 9:56 PM
I have done the right thing.
Anonymous 9:55pm
Moon said I consider the ones that complain are the bullys.
9.56pm They would rather do nothing at the expense of the children.
April 28, 2010 9:56 PM
If you had seen the size of one of them you would wonder how the boy isn't in intensive care
April 28, 2010 9:56 PM
Isn't Moon on charges?
April 28, 2010 9:59 PM
Even the saviours are weak as piss. Marg is the only one at the school with the guts to say the truth. The rest of them are afraid of the Klan they say, what a fucking joke.
Ned did you see this happen?
No I did not
of course you didn't marg
nedkelly your full of shit if this is correct what you are saying why don't you tell moon that auld and gavin put the shit in the bus.
April 28, 2010 10:06 PM
Think what you like fuckwhit. Marg is a good honest person who has stood up for kids. She told the truth.
April 28, 2010 10:07 PM
What the fuck are you on about idiot
Who said I didn't tell Moon you fuckwhit
How would these school teachers and aide's like it if their child was forced to the ground and held down and sat on by six teachers and teachers aide's.This is assault and the parents of this student should have all culprits of this disgusting act of violence on this child charged.This school of horrors needs closing down.
What a joke that Juliette Van Emerick is, too sick to work at Carenne but can cart stuff around for her husbands business. Another Carenne fraud!
Scott is protecting them
Anonymous 11:09am
This is a big statement scott russell do you mean is he a corrupt police office isn't his wife simone one of the klan and post under "HATHO" why hasn't this been reported to the to his surperiors.
Anonymous 11:07 AM
Why hasn't GIO been told about the fraud thats going on with stress leave at CARENNE PUBLIC SCHOOL BATHURST.
nedkelly 28th April 10:10 PM
Hope you have because he is going to find out anyhow when its revealed that you are "MARGARET ROWE"
GIO can't do anything if it is not reported. The more people report it, the more reason they have to investigate it.
Call 1300 881 725 and reprt it to their insurance fraud hotline. You can remain anonymous and the klan and DET have no control over it.
Anonymous 12:33 pm
Thank you i will do that now.
April 29, 2010 11:50 AM
You might like to ask Joel Fawkner of the Bathurst Police why he terminated his investigations into Scott Russell. His number is 0263328614
jenny you didnt tell your friend not have bald tyre
report simone russell for fraud she apply for comp because of her daughter adn last year when son under investigation. prue also make false claim and bev masters
11:54 AM
why not fraud and agreement jenny has with mary been reported
Go eat some more cake Lucy
i aint lucy and lucy aint fat
Where's PETER RICHARDS when you need him, I need my idiot translator.
You're an idiot Lucy. Everyone knows you are Jake Rosenberg and you are being protected. There is no reason why you should be at Carenne, you are hopeless at your job and are a big-mouthed liar.
BARACUS WELL SAID AND TRUE.
On and on with the same silly shit. I notice things went quiet for a while while the KLAN and their supporters thought about the fact that all the earlier comments including threats can be linked to their owners computers, many of them DET property. I expect much of this to come out during the coming court case as long as the lousy Labor government dont bury it with legal barriers.
I had an interview for a job with Carenne Support today and am wondering why I applied for the job. I met Graeme, Carol and Jillian and was asked stupid questions like did I know Brian Carter, had I ever read Carenne Gate, did I know Julie Brown, how I like to be served in a shop and whether I donated to the Carenne bus appeal.
I hadn't been to this site because I only knew about it from the interview but I won't be taking the job if I get it but with the stupid questions they kept asking they had someone in mind already I'd say.
The Minister for Education Verity Firth may be facing a growing problem when it seems the staff of Carenne Support is second guessing job applicants. Labor Government is continuing to hope the problem of people discussing child abuse on a public forum which is fast approching a hundred thousand visits will go away. Instead or removing a growing problem of dead beats taking taxpayers money under false pretences. The government is trying to bury the problem relying on mainstream media protection.
Anonymous 4:12 PM
Jenny have you a lap top on your bus run now.
6.35pm when are you going to grow up and stop carrying on with shit carenne is in such a mess because of people like you
6:35PM
she not help but to give it away. jerry has internet phone i have seen it and i say they use it on bus to post here so people not think it them. i wonder if jenny only person who go for job then we all know who post that 100% i know if jenny get job after what she has done i am going to complain because she is bad and do terrible thing to carenne
6:38PM
you know all about shit ay jenny soon the cleaners are taking care of shit like you. stop writting to yourself on blog we all know it you and your friend jerry. you try to blame other people but it not them is it
Does centrelink know your getting payed work lucy.
jrosenberg tell us what you have on jenny
Anonymous 4:12 pm
Who's Jillan.
Salmon
Anonymous 8:05 PM
what geoff salmon wife.
7.53pm LUCY DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING ON JENNY EXCEPT FOR HER IMAGINARY BULLSHIT STORIES SHES FULL OF IT AS ALWAYS
8.08 yes that is correct how rigged is that
Lucy 7.33pm you dont know your head from your ass let alone know anything 100% why should anyone listen to you we all know you are full of shit
7.53pm lucy didnt answer your question because she has nothing except an over active imagination she should write if she was not so illiterate
Anonymous April 30,2010 10:29p
This was rig two carenne support ltd board members a independent parent jillan salmon who is the wife of geoff salmon who jenny tells me she put a grievance into carenne support about him bully her at home and jenny was one of the applicants for the bus supervisor's job.Do carenne support think the public are idiot's.
Isn't it interesting that Michael Auld is on leave yet has to keep coming to the school to fix computers that he can't even fix. More like snooping around with him, too much to hide, scared he will get caught out.
April 30, 2010 6:19 PM
The job is with Carenne Support not Carenne School idiot
April 30, 2010 10:54 PM
Neil Moon keeps giving her paid work so he is the real fool in all of this.
May 1, 2010 7:08 AM
Gillian Salmon isn't independent. It's just like the old Merit Selection panels at Carenne that were always rigged so certain people got a job. That's how Janelle Kemp got the job.
Anonymous May 1,2010 7:52 Am
THIS IS DISGUSTING WHY EVEN ADVERTISE THESE JOBS HOW CORRUPT.
nedkelly 7:49 Am
I thought Terry Neil done the staffing rosters wish the klan would make up there mind who does what job at carenne.
People are calling Lucy a thief but what about the things Michael Auld stole from someone else?
May 1, 2010 8:03 AM
they are advertising the job because they think they can get Jenny out legally by advertising a "new" job and finding someone better.
May 1, 2010 8:06 AM
Terry Neal does staff vacancies not block work. The principal is the one responsible for staffing not an AP.
nedkelly 8:13 AM
And by stacking the interveiw panel.
nedkelly 8:13 AM
They getting rid of jenny to satisfied LEE CHURCHES,GEOFF SALMON,PAUL KNIGHT,MARY HASSLER's,"EGO'S thats why they are doing it no other reason.
May 1, 2010 8:19 AM
Of course. Lee Churches has it in for Jenny and has for sometime. She reckons that she is worse than "that snitching Brian Carter cunt".
May 1, 2010 8:22 AM
That's true. She has complained about them. It's another case of them harassing people who speak out just like some people are doing to Margaret Rowe.
nedkelly 8;13 AM
Did your dougie go for the bus supervisor job seeing he couldn't pushed Peter Tarylor out of his gardiners position.
Lee Churches time is running out the clock is slowly ticking down her hours that she has left at Carenne school.
May 1, 2010 8:31 AM
Keep threatening her Jenny. Everyone knows its you because you are the only person who hates her.
May 1, 2010 8:36 AM
I hate her and I am not Jenny. Try again fuckwhit.
Anonymous 8:36 AM
Stop posting about yourself Lee not very becoming of you.
May 1, 2010 8:28 AM
Always playing the victim hey Marg! Just like people attacking you in the street about this blog and Indymedia and you crying in the staffroom about it. You are a fraud.
nedkelly 8:36 AM
Theres more than jenny and you who hate her.
May 1, 2010 8:42 AM
You know she posts on here all the time don't you? She hates this blog and the "snitches" on it she tells me daily.
May 1, 2010 8:43 AM
Marg is being attacked both inside and outside Carenne. She is a beautiful lady and deserves better.
May 1, 2010 8:46 AM
Piss off idiot. She was a huge player in the Klan. Just because she is trying to bat for the winning team now she is still a double-crossing, lying, two-faced, backbiting bitch.
Rowe Must Go 8:28 AM
Change your alias again Lee Churches.
nedkelly 8:13 AM
did doug rowe put in for bus supervisor job.
nedkelly 8:03 AM
Are you willing to state this in a court of law.
Anomymous 8:46 AM
Lee thats know way to speak about your brillant aide who works with you everyday.
Ring 0243419140 lets see how many people have the balls to ring and identify themselves ?
May 1, 2010 12:45 PM
Answer the phone then idiot.
Where are the parents there is heaps of silly shit on this string but lets face it why would concerned parents be frigging around when serious activist are willing to help them. You clowns have no idea what it takes to get into it with the Labor government. Ring the nuimber and dont hang up when it is answered because it is not being monitored like those KLAN cunts say it is ! be brave ring the number and open your mouth what have you got to loose.
Edward James
May 1, 2010 9:11 AM
Margaret Rowe brilliant? Maybe if she stayed in the classroom instead of running her mouth off to the Bitches of Eastwick some work might get done. She can say how great she is, she is USELESS. It's time she realised she is on her last legs at Carenne, nobody but Lee will work with her, Lee is the only reason she is still at Carenne and now she is shafting Lee it wont be long until that pairing is over.
Lucy is a better aide than her.
May 1, 2010 12:59 PM
A parent from West Bathurst rang you Edward. It is being monitored.
Hey 12 58 PM who are you calling an idiot. My phone rang once I picked it up and guess what you bailed you weak anonymous no name cunt! Have the balls or labia major to hold the line more than three seconds!
Edward James 0243419140
Anonymous 1:02 PM
Lee you really have got it in for margaret rowe she must"ve really double crossed you told the truth in sydney court did she lee.
You guys have got to be kidding me 0243419140 is a normal land line people call me all the time we do not talk about sedition we do not discuss who have guns buried in their back yards. We talk about work we talk about politics and TV antennas, we talk about the corruption in the Gosford City Council and whatever. For christ sake are you guys so frightened that you wont talk to me about the concerns you have about your children attending a state government school Carenne at Bathurst. Jesus I spent a day at Bathurst not one of you parents or unhappy teachers for that matter approached me. I dont have two heads! But I must write I am concerned parents are so frightened of grubs at Carenne they wont act to save their children. Ring the number talk to me others have, you dont have to identify your self and you dont have to say things you feel will bring the government down on top of you. But just how long do you think people will offer to help if you do nothing? Ring me and tell me how long you expect people like me to wait while you consider just what it is you want done? 0243419140 use a public phone box if you are so frightened by shit the KLAN are telling you. surprise me move past the tis tisent which has been the main substance of this site.
Edwad James 0418486260 use this for text messages.
12 59 pm if you believe my phone is being monitored go to a public phone box and call me, or as i wrote before use a borrowed mobile phone. I must write in the scheme of things the state is not going to be monitoring my phone to record who rings me Govwernment already waste too much of our money.
Is Michael Auld cutting his long service leave out just in case he gets the sack by the DET so he doesn't lose it.
Its a wonder his best friend Lee Churches is not cutting hers out too.
Lee and Michael are complaining about how "poor Michael" had to take long service leave so he could install computers and fix the computer system (and probably put more backdoors in). They are complaining that Willy and Tony won't give the school support and how the school won't get a technician from the department.
Carenne had a computer guy but Michael, Lee, Terry and Marg shafted him because they all say he snitched on Michael.
May 1, 2010 5:44 PM
It wouldn't be too hard to find out who wrote this would it LEE.
May 1, 2010 1:46 PM
Edward somehow the KLAN knows who contacts you and when. I could email you a list of people who are known to have called you according to Michael and Lee. Perhaps they have a leak in Telstra, they do everywhere else.
May 1, 2010 5:44 PM
Could you be more full of shit if you tried?
It's not Lee posting on here. She is traumatised by what is on this website and doesn't even look at it.
go get life lee stop talking yourself up you idiot.
Lee Churches you would not know what traumatised is you are only getting back what you have done to others over the years you low life.
go ahead be as rude to Lee as you like - she doesn't read this shit so you are wasting your time
well why are you answering lee.We will have to get ned to tell us some more of your secrets won't lee.
Your a coward lee you and give it but can't take it you low life.
Hey ned why don't you drop churches right in it she has you.
Churches is traumatised because of the trouble she is in with the law and the det ,nothing to do with this website .
The State Education Minister Verity Firth will be opening the new science block at Lithgow High School on Thursday.
Parents please be at Lthgow High School tell Verity Firth what is being done to your precious children ,Don't let this abuse,of students ,parents,staff go on as parents you have the power please go and tell this woman the lies Peter Harvey is telling and covering the abuse up.
May 1, 2010 5:44 PM
He can't get anything to work. Even the new technology doesn't work properly because he can't set it up. He is the Carenne technology guru but he is nothing more than a FRAUD. We all heard how he was the one doing all the work before, seems that isn't the case because things WORKED.
It's all the new server and Tony and Willy's fault according to him. He was bragging last year about how great the new server was because he could monitor things and stop the "hackers" getting in.
It's just an excuse for him to spend more time at the school and snoop around in people's stuff.
May 2, 2010 6:52 AM
Anyone who can should be there. Same as when Paul Kelly visits Carenne Thursday Week 6. He needs to be told what is going on at Carenne.
May 1, 2010 6:33 PM
hullo mary
May 2, 2010 7:42 AM
I can tell you 100% that it is not Mary Housler who posted that. It happens to come from someone whose computer is on here an awful lot reading and posting.
Michael Auld was at the school at 6:30 Pm on Friday 30th had some bloke on the roof it was dark.
May 2, 2010 8:05 AM
Nothing unusual for that rat to be there at weird times. The sad thing is the principals let him because he needs to be there to fix the computers. He is involved in the hatho leaks.
May 2, 2010 8:10 AM
Fuck them more like it. The man is a joke. He blames everything on everyone else.
If he spent more time doing what he is paid (TEACHING) he would be better off the idiot.
Look at how RDA has gone downhill because of his corrupt bullshit
May 2, 2010 8:20 AM
Blame poor Michael for everything you cunts
May 2, 2010 7:41 AM
Paul Kelly?
May 2, 2010 8:45 AM
You blame lovely Jenny for everything you bastards. Who cares about Michael, him and Melinda put the shit in the bus and one of the kids got very sick because of that. You are nothing but SHIT yourselves.
May 1, 2010 1:09 PM
I held the line longer than 3 seconds! I want to know how they know where I live just from ringing you Edward.
will you tell neil moon who put the shit in the buss
May 2, 2010 8:51 AM
lovely "MARG" do you talk to the disable kids like this
Anonymous 8:48 AM
They won't be baming jenny for much longer.
May 1, 2010 11:23 PM
Do you have any further details of the visit by the minister?
May 2, 2010 8:47 AM
I was thinking the same thing. I only know of Paul Kelly the journalist and Paul Kelly the musician.
May 2, 2010 8:10 AM
He went to someone's house with documents he stole from Terry Neal's thumbdrive and told them to pass them on to Prue because they would be made public if she took them on for bullying and harassing her. He is a BLACKMAILER.
Tell us all May 2 2010 8 49 pm, how "they" know where you live just from ringing me. First who is "they" Second how did you find out "they" know? Were you told by anyone you know? nedkelly said...
May 1, 2010 1:46 PM
Edward somehow the KLAN knows who contacts you and when. I could email you a list of people who are known to have called you according to Michael and Lee. Perhaps they have a leak in Telstra, they do everywhere else. Ned just tell all of us how many people have rang me no names just the number said to be known by the KLAN
You don’t need to ring from your own place if you are so frightened, there are friends places with phones there are public phone boxes and there are people who will let you use their mobile. Some people have rung me about Carenne Public School when we spoke I told them they don’t need to leave their names. Tell me and the others on this string just how many people have rung me about Carenne if you have a list no names just how many. Post it up for everyone reading and I will tell you if the number of callers is correct. But frankly anyone telling readers calls to me are being monitored is playing you for fools, consider if a legal entitlement exist to tap a phone do you really believe the work product of that phone tap would be common gossip? Check with the police, I don’t actually care who hears my phone conversations. If you are too scared to ring and talk and clearly you all are that’s your problem not mine, you guys have had my phone number for almost a year. I do not think you are fair dinkum.
There is a very big bit of Federal law called the Telecommunications Interceptions Act. It has domain over emails letters faxes and phone calls ect. intercepting them copying them or otherwise interfearing with them is much more than a misdemeanor but I expect by now many of the KLAN are beginning to understand that. BTW if people are aware of people doing any of that shit or shareing information illegally obtained like using COPS for private use they should snitch on them, I would.
Churches and Auld claim that five people have called you that are related somehow to Carenne.
Most of these people are just using any excuse to not do the right thing. Margaret Rowe so far is the only one who has stepped up to the plate, how many more will follow?
Its a bit late to step up to the plate Margaret Rowe the damage has been done because of the evil klan.
May 2, 2010 6:08 PM
Will you follow Margaret?
Nedkelly 6:03 PM
How have you step up to the plate ned what have you done.
May 2, 2010 6:17 PM
I am not Margaret you fuckwhit
May 2, 2010 6:19 PM
yes you are. You left your calling card and you speak just like the abhorrent woman. Have you written any anonymous letters complaining about yourself for sympathy lately.
Five people? Hmmm I can recall one person ringing and speaking with me. There may have been two, but gee nothing memorable. But five tell them they are dreamin! Are they able to tell everyone who I have rung with concerns about matters related to Carenne Special School staff and Carenne Support?
i bet jenny and snitch friend ring you edward
i bet jenny and snitch friend ring you edward
May 2, 2010 6:19 PM
yes you are. You left your calling card and you speak just like the abhorrent woman. Have you written any anonymous letters complaining about yourself for sympathy lately.
Churches and Auld claim that five people have called you that are related somehow to Carenne.
Most of these people are just using any excuse to not do the right thing. Margaret Rowe so far is the only one who has stepped up to the plate, how many more will follow?
May 2, 2010 8:10 AM
He went to someone's house with documents he stole from Terry Neal's thumbdrive and told them to pass them on to Prue because they would be made public if she took them on for bullying and harassing her. He is a BLACKMAILER.
May 1, 2010 9:11 AM
Margaret Rowe brilliant? Maybe if she stayed in the classroom instead of running her mouth off to the Bitches of Eastwick some work might get done. She can say how great she is, she is USELESS. It's time she realised she is on her last legs at Carenne, nobody but Lee will work with her, Lee is the only reason she is still at Carenne and now she is shafting Lee it wont be long until that pairing is over.
Lucy is a better aide than her.
May 2, 2010 8:51 AM
lovely "MARG" do you talk to the disable kids like this
will you tell neil moon who put the shit in the buss
May 1, 2010 8:42 AM
You know she posts on here all the time don't you? She hates this blog and the "snitches" on it she tells me daily.
May 1, 2010 8:28 AM
Always playing the victim hey Marg! Just like people attacking you in the street about this blog and Indymedia and you crying in the staffroom about it. You are a fraud.
Lee Churches time is running out the clock is slowly ticking down her hours that she has left at Carenne school.
May 1, 2010 8:19 AM
Of course. Lee Churches has it in for Jenny and has for sometime. She reckons that she is worse than "that snitching Brian Carter cunt".
May 1, 2010 8:03 AM
they are advertising the job because they think they can get Jenny out legally by advertising a "new" job and finding someone better.
Anonymous May 1,2010 7:52 Am
THIS IS DISGUSTING WHY EVEN ADVERTISE THESE JOBS HOW CORRUPT.
April 30, 2010 10:54 PM
Neil Moon keeps giving her paid work so he is the real fool in all of this.
Isn't it interesting that Michael Auld is on leave yet has to keep coming to the school to fix computers that he can't even fix. More like snooping around with him, too much to hide, scared he will get caught out.
Anonymous April 30,2010 10:29p
This was rig two carenne support ltd board members a independent parent jillan salmon who is the wife of geoff salmon who jenny tells me she put a grievance into carenne support about him bully her at home and jenny was one of the applicants for the bus supervisor's job.Do carenne support think the public are idiot's.
8.08 yes that is correct how rigged is that
Salmon
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